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 Post subject: The Island
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:17 pm 
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Oto Jonin
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I am going to have to contest several points of your post(Naitomi) and ask that a third party review these points.

Your Claim:

“He wouldn't know if I hid my chakra or if I could be a sensor and since he never saw me to begin with this was all in his head likely.”

My Argument: In my very first post I said this.

"Activating his sensory abilities a few things became clear. There were two shinobi here, neither seemed to be moving . Enishi wasted no time in creating a gap between the one that appeared to be hiding in a tide pool making a dart for the beach and then the jungle, disappearing into the thick foliage before him keeping tabs on both of the chakra signatures he would hide and wait for now, focusing on sensing"


My argument: I am a sensory spec and as such can actively sense chakra signatures up to 350 meters away, in your following post you decided for me that I was as you put it

“He would have appeared to only went into the dense foliage by two meters, hardly far from Naitome”

Clearly within 350 meters I would say, and you did not hide your chakra until after my original post in the topic.




My second point of contention.

You’re claim:
“The man had long left the tide pool and was no longer in the tide pool to begin with”

While your original post stated this “Naitome licked his lips as he waited patiently within the tidal pool” Followed by this “He had dropped his chakra signature and sensing as he felt where the target had went. He traveled south away from the original spot, about four meters as he eased out of the water”

My post stated this:
“his senses honed in on the chakra signature in the tide pool.” followed by “The boys mind raced, the possibilities calculating in a mere moment”

My Argument: I would argue that Enishi came to the conclusion much faster than you could have swam 4 meters, exited the tide pool and then done your sneaky approach that involved you walking.






My Third point of contention.

Is referring to your original post engaging Enishi

Your claim: “He had dropped his chakra signature and sensing as he felt where the target had went. He traveled south away from the original spot, about four meters as he eased out of the water, being unable to be detected by sensors due to him no longer using any sort of chakra.”

My Point: Your character is now going completely off of where he last sensed Enishi, you say here

“ He was careful and quiet, as he strolled toward Enishi using trees as cover “ you continue

“Naitome was not able to be detected, nor sensed due to chakra suppression. And, he carefully walked due to his training in taijutsu he was quite adept at using his muscles and body control to not make a sound.”

My Point: If you are carefully walking in an attempt to not make a sound I find it doubtful that you would be moving very fast at all. At-least not faster than my thinking and subsequent jump into the air.

My argument: My character came to the conclusion to jump into the air very quickly after after you vanished from my chakra sensing. I would argue that I would certainly see you if you could see me. And that brings my to my fourth point of contention.




Fourth point of contention:

Your Claim:
“As the 360 view of Enishi would not be physically possible unless he spun all the way around in a circle, he mentioned a slight rotation but your human eyes could only see at best 180 degrees in front of you.“

My Argument: I would easily argue that with a slight rotation and the swivel of the head you could easily see 360 degrees.(Turn your head where you are seated right now, if you have any flexibility you can see more than 180 degrees while your body doesn't move at all) Also the Kyujutsu specialist says this (Kyūjutsu Specs have trained their eyes for years, granting them the Eagle Eye, allowing them perfect vision until the earth curves. If they have a vantage point (staff approval), they can see roughly what is going on in the topics of the land they are in.)


My Argument: I would argue that the jump would be my vantage point and that someone with eyes as trained as a kyujutsu specialist would be able to see your approach from the air.







My fifth point of contention:

Point: Samehada has its own chakra signature

Argument: Samehada's chakra signature would give you away as I have had chakra sensing active the entire time.






My sixth and final point of contention:


The Claim: “As he reached his so called apex of the jump, he claims he spotted something, that something was an snake slithering across the ground.”

My argument: Really?


I will respect the staffs ruling on these points and post as soon as one has been made.

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 Post subject: Re: The Island
PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:52 pm 
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First, I'm gonna start this off by saying: You can't retroactively contest post that you accepted as fact and posted as if it wasn't something you are gonna contest. You can't can't take previous post actions that already happened and still use them in your current post which you tried to do in the previous post you made and now are trying to use them in your arguement. Now, I will also be breaking each thing down within the quotes. Now, before I do that. I wanna quote this in bold:

This is taken directly from my Bloodline registration. I'm sure you didn't read it. The Hoshigaki clan are half shark, half human. Help the Hoshigaki to swim faster and with more control. Webbed Feet- In between the shark-nin's toes are thin flaps of skin. They make their feet like extra fins since they have no tail and serve no other purpose but to help propel them smoothly through water. These are able to be retracted, making them seem invisible when not needed. The Hoshigaki are more dangerous in water as their speed increases as well as their ability to breathe underwater is bar none.


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Your Claim:

“He wouldn't know if I hid my chakra or if I could be a sensor and since he never saw me to begin with this was all in his head likely.”

My Argument: In my very first post I said this.

"Activating his sensory abilities a few things became clear. There were two shinobi here, neither seemed to be moving . Enishi wasted no time in creating a gap between the one that appeared to be hiding in a tide pool making a dart for the beach and then the jungle, disappearing into the thick foliage before him keeping tabs on both of the chakra signatures he would hide and wait for now, focusing on sensing"
I never contested what you did in your first post. My post was in response to your your reply. While yes you can sense me. You can't physically see me with your eyeballs. You were assuming I am a sensor. Something you can't do. You can think it, you can make assumptions but your reply was indicating you know what my character can do despite not ever meeting my character until today. Which all you have to go off of is chakra, location and elements.
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My argument: I am a sensory spec and as such can actively sense chakra signatures up to 350 meters away, in your following post you decided for me that I was as you put it

“He would have appeared to only went into the dense foliage by two meters, hardly far from Naitome”

Clearly within 350 meters I would say, and you did not hide your chakra until after my original post in the topic.
Again, I never said you can't sense me. You posted that in the first post. You never placed yourself in a location or meters so I decided for you. A slipup on your part. And, yes I did say that but I was sensing you. You yourself posted that you were stationary.

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My second point of contention.

You’re claim:
“The man had long left the tide pool and was no longer in the tide pool to begin with”

While your original post stated this “Naitome licked his lips as he waited patiently within the tidal pool” Followed by this “He had dropped his chakra signature and sensing as he felt where the target had went. He traveled south away from the original spot, about four meters as he eased out of the water”

My post stated this:
“his senses honed in on the chakra signature in the tide pool.” followed by “The boys mind raced, the possibilities calculating in a mere moment”

My Argument: I would argue that Enishi came to the conclusion much faster than you could have swam 4 meters, exited the tide pool and then done your sneaky approach that involved you walking.
Again, my post stated that happened. Your reply admitted it was fact that you did not contest. Those post happened one after the other. My reply in response to your actions. Something you can't retroactivly keep mentioning as something that can still affect your current post that is within the current timeframe despite all of those actions already taken place. With that being said: I can swim that fast: Based on my stats and this: This is taken directly from my Bloodline registration. I'm sure you didn't read it. The Hoshigaki clan are half shark, half human. Help the Hoshigaki to swim faster and with more control. Webbed Feet- In between the shark-nin's toes are thin flaps of skin. They make their feet like extra fins since they have no tail and serve no other purpose but to help propel them smoothly through water. These are able to be retracted, making them seem invisible when not needed. The Hoshigaki are more dangerous in water as their speed increases as well as their ability to breathe underwater is bar none.



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My Third point of contention.

Is referring to your original post engaging Enishi

Your claim: “He had dropped his chakra signature and sensing as he felt where the target had went. He traveled south away from the original spot, about four meters as he eased out of the water, being unable to be detected by sensors due to him no longer using any sort of chakra.”

My Point: Your character is now going completely off of where he last sensed Enishi, you say here

“ He was careful and quiet, as he strolled toward Enishi using trees as cover “ you continue

“Naitome was not able to be detected, nor sensed due to chakra suppression. And, he carefully walked due to his training in taijutsu he was quite adept at using his muscles and body control to not make a sound.”

My Point: If you are carefully walking in an attempt to not make a sound I find it doubtful that you would be moving very fast at all. At-least not faster than my thinking and subsequent jump into the air.

My argument: My character came to the conclusion to jump into the air very quickly after you vanished from my chakra sensing. I would argue that I would certainly see you if you could see me. And that brings my to my fourth point of contention.

The problem is again you stating something that has already happened and you never contested to begin with. You are still in your previous spot from two post ago. You never moved. You just jumped in the air straight up from where you been standing. Considering i am stating that I can move that fast, you are trying to say my chakra sensing happened later than it did. Considering you wasn't that far from me based on my stats and my abilities four meters swimming and already, I am slighty faster than you in regards to movement and swimming. I already was into the forest. Sneaking didn't happen until I was in the forest. But, I mean I'm going into the foilage as your thinking already. My height and speed, again work in my favor. The time it takes you to jump: nine meters compared to moving four meters would mean I basically am into the foilage and trees long before you reach your apex.


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Fourth point of contention:

Your Claim:
“As the 360 view of Enishi would not be physically possible unless he spun all the way around in a circle, he mentioned a slight rotation but your human eyes could only see at best 180 degrees in front of you.“

My Argument: I would easily argue that with a slight rotation and the swivel of the head you could easily see 360 degrees.(Turn your head where you are seated right now, if you have any flexibility you can see more than 180 degrees while your body doesn't move at all) Also the Kyujutsu specialist says this (Kyūjutsu Specs have trained their eyes for years, granting them the Eagle Eye, allowing them perfect vision until the earth curves. If they have a vantage point (staff approval), they can see roughly what is going on in the topics of the land they are in.)




My Argument: I would argue that the jump would be my vantage point and that someone with eyes as trained as a kyujutsu specialist would be able to see your approach from the air.

You still have human eyes. No Sharingan. No special doujutsu so you would have to state you turned your head. As well as you lack the vantage point of Eagle eye as that is staff given and no staff made that ruling for you prior to my post or for current post of action. So, that is not feasible. I am technically based on your wording you never swiveled your head to look back. You didn't mention so. You can't just say WELL I turned my head when you never stated you did. You don't have eagle eye because staff never ruled a vantage point. You would still have to see me. You even stated yourself that you saw something not seen me leaving open the fact you weren't sure if you saw me either. Wording and being clear is a good thing to do. Vague descriptions work against you.




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My fifth point of contention:

Point: Samehada has its own chakra signature

Argument: Samehada's chakra signature would give you away as I have had chakra sensing active the entire time.

I never onced stated samehada had a chakra signature in either of my post. Sorry.



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My sixth and final point of contention:


The Claim: “As he reached his so called apex of the jump, he claims he spotted something, that something was an snake slithering across the ground.”

My argument: Really?


I will respect the staffs ruling on these points and post as soon as one has been made.
You yourself posted this: His momentum still carrying him up the apex of his leap at 9 meters, he spotted something moving from the west amongst the thick foliage, moving directly towards his previous location.


You never stated you saw me. Vague description which also lends credence that without a doujutsu as previously stated or eagle eye because staff never granted you that approval required allowed me to embellish this. You saw you spotted something. That something could be anything and that something wasn't me. Even the OP said the forest area was littered with animals that hunt and try to kill. Its not out of the realm. My point is nothing in my post would be able to contested. I followed the actions and responsed accordingly to your post. You did the same. The problem here is I take issue with your need to still quote my first post and second post despite we are now on my third post and you never contested the previous two post until now which means you seen no issue with my first two post whatsoever. As well as YOU NEVER moved from your original spot. So coupled with that and the fact you are just moving upward finding you wasn't hard to do. Your actions of leaping straight up as fate and reality would have it force of gravity would call you downward, I was within ear shot of your word Kai, which you never stated you quietly said. You never just said the words quietly basically. That alerted me to you considering I was standing basically under you.

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 Post subject: Re: The Island
PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:43 am 
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Hey all,

First off, we wanna thank anyone that had decided to join this plot topic - the first real 'big' battle since the restart of the site? We're really happy to see that people new and old alike still got the energy left to kick eachother's butt every now and then! Slightly unfortunate about the current ooc discussion, but it tends to happen a lot in life and death fights - we kinda hoped you'd be able to deal with these kind of issues between yourselves but both parties have requested the aid of staff, so here we are.


We'll be going through each argument up until the final verdict, sorry in advance, this post might be quite long to read..let's begin!

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First, I'm gonna start this off by saying: You can't retroactively contest post that you accepted as fact and posted as if it wasn't something you are gonna contest. You can't can't take previous post actions that already happened and still use them in your current post which you tried to do in the previous post you made and now are trying to use them in your arguement.
I'm gonna deal with this first, you're actively doing this yourself. Please refrain yourself from telling others what to do, you're being kind of a hypocrite about it. On the other hand, we don't believe that Enishi was in the wrong here, either way. It most definitly can be used in an argument.

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Your Claim:

“He wouldn't know if I hid my chakra or if I could be a sensor and since he never saw me to begin with this was all in his head likely.”

My Argument: In my very first post I said this.

"Activating his sensory abilities a few things became clear. There were two shinobi here, neither seemed to be moving . Enishi wasted no time in creating a gap between the one that appeared to be hiding in a tide pool making a dart for the beach and then the jungle, disappearing into the thick foliage before him keeping tabs on both of the chakra signatures he would hide and wait for now, focusing on sensing"
I never contested what you did in your first post. My post was in response to your your reply.
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While yes you can sense me. You can't physically see me with your eyeballs. You were assuming I am a sensor. Something you can't do. You can think it, you can make assumptions but your reply was indicating you know what my character can do despite not ever meeting my character until today. Which all you have to go off of is chakra, location and elements.
Enishi's did not make any assumption as to wether Naitome was a sensor or not. Enishi also stated that he wasn't relying on eye-sight initially, he fully focused onto sensing chakra signatures. His post also stated after your actions, Naitome,
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The boy sat for but a moment in his new hiding place, his senses honed in on the chakra signature in the tide pool. hmmm whats ur mo…. Enishi’s thought was cut off, the chakra signature had vanished. The boys mind raced, the possibilities calculating in a mere moment, the conclusion, he didn’t just die out of nowhere… any sensory specialist worth his salt would certainly know their own weakness….
This was in his right, yes, when you fully focus on an individual target and it just, vanishes, something is up. I wanna add that saying 'It was probably in his head' isn't something you control, you can assume it though, but It's not a factor unless the writer himself, in this case Enishi, states so.

tl;dr: Enishi did not ever state to know Naitome was a sensor, he merely went off on chakra signature, there was no implication of this either - so physical sight isn't much in play here...however he does have eagle sight in this topic (more on that later). On the other hand, Naitome was well within Enishi's sensor range.
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You’re claim:
“The man had long left the tide pool and was no longer in the tide pool to begin with”

While your original post stated this “Naitome licked his lips as he waited patiently within the tidal pool” Followed by this “He had dropped his chakra signature and sensing as he felt where the target had went. He traveled south away from the original spot, about four meters as he eased out of the water”

My post stated this:
“his senses honed in on the chakra signature in the tide pool.” followed by “The boys mind raced, the possibilities calculating in a mere moment”

My Argument: I would argue that Enishi came to the conclusion much faster than you could have swam 4 meters, exited the tide pool and then done your sneaky approach that involved you walking.
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Again, my post stated that happened. Your reply admitted it was fact that you did not contest. Those post happened one after the other. My reply in response to your actions. Something you can't retroactivly keep mentioning as something that can still affect your current post that is within the current timeframe despite all of those actions already taken place. With that being said: I can swim that fast: Based on my stats and this: This is taken directly from my Bloodline registration. I'm sure you didn't read it. The Hoshigaki clan are half shark, half human. Help the Hoshigaki to swim faster and with more control. Webbed Feet- In between the shark-nin's toes are thin flaps of skin. They make their feet like extra fins since they have no tail and serve no other purpose but to help propel them smoothly through water. These are able to be retracted, making them seem invisible when not needed. The Hoshigaki are more dangerous in water as their speed increases as well as their ability to breathe underwater is bar none.
I'm sorry but the Hoshigaki clan being able to swim faster wasn't even listed as it giving anything quantifiable in your registration. I forgot about that until Keiri mentioned it. (Your swimspeed does increase by a lot once merged with Samehada though~ but that's not happening in this case.) I wanna add that even if you were fast in the water, he'd still go on land. Meaning, walk. If the 4 meters in the water weren't long, we could argue that combined with the land travel speed and distance would be enough time for a specialist in both sensory and kyujutsu to notice something amiss. But for this post, it really is a close to no factor due to the first statement I've already made. Consider, as well, that eagle eye is a factor here. (more on that later)
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Something you can't retroactivly keep mentioning as something that can still affect your current post that is within the current timeframe despite all of those actions already taken place.
Again.., and you're doing what? This is silly, it can be used in an argument, the end.
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My Third point of contention.

Is referring to your original post engaging Enishi

Your claim: “He had dropped his chakra signature and sensing as he felt where the target had went. He traveled south away from the original spot, about four meters as he eased out of the water, being unable to be detected by sensors due to him no longer using any sort of chakra.”

My Point: Your character is now going completely off of where he last sensed Enishi, you say here

“ He was careful and quiet, as he strolled toward Enishi using trees as cover “ you continue

“Naitome was not able to be detected, nor sensed due to chakra suppression. And, he carefully walked due to his training in taijutsu he was quite adept at using his muscles and body control to not make a sound.”

My Point: If you are carefully walking in an attempt to not make a sound I find it doubtful that you would be moving very fast at all. At-least not faster than my thinking and subsequent jump into the air.

My argument: My character came to the conclusion to jump into the air very quickly after you vanished from my chakra sensing. I would argue that I would certainly see you if you could see me. And that brings my to my fourth point of contention.
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The problem is again you stating something that has already happened and you never contested to begin with. You are still in your previous spot from two post ago. You never moved. You just jumped in the air straight up from where you been standing. Considering i am stating that I can move that fast, you are trying to say my chakra sensing happened later than it did. Considering you wasn't that far from me based on my stats and my abilities four meters swimming and already, I am slighty faster than you in regards to movement and swimming. I already was into the forest. Sneaking didn't happen until I was in the forest. But, I mean I'm going into the foilage as your thinking already. My height and speed, again work in my favor. The time it takes you to jump: nine meters compared to moving four meters would mean I basically am into the foilage and trees long before you reach your apex.
These are interesting points. Let's list the events. Naitome walks from the beach, into the foliage, this by itself exceeds the 6 meters mark as he travels through the foliage itself. Sand+rocks; also, tends to slow you down, An important pointer. In this instance chakra suppression was active for awhile now(though Samehada's chakra can't be surpressed). Enishi noticed the drop of chakra (since even with samehada still being up, one chakra signature still drops, which is Naitom's) and jumped, Naitome used chakra surpression inside the water, giving Enishi a head start to jump before Naitome had even left the water. I wanna add an important detail here, Naitome was described as not making a single sound, no branch or leaf giving him away, his movement being trained and him being undetectable as well as being invisible on the sensor radar Your character is 7' - wielding a giant sword strapped in bandages on your back, let that sink in for a moment. Okay now add the fact that the sword itself posseses Its own chakra signature. Now consider that you moved through brushes as well. Very very detectable (brushes move, make sound.). It's really hard to miss that. I'd say that this wasn't in Naitome's advantage. I wouldn't say that he'd have reached his apex 'long' before Enishi reached his apex either. However Naitome would definitly be in the foliage by the time Enishi did reach his max height.
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Fourth point of contention:

Your Claim:
“As the 360 view of Enishi would not be physically possible unless he spun all the way around in a circle, he mentioned a slight rotation but your human eyes could only see at best 180 degrees in front of you.“

My Argument: I would easily argue that with a slight rotation and the swivel of the head you could easily see 360 degrees.(Turn your head where you are seated right now, if you have any flexibility you can see more than 180 degrees while your body doesn't move at all) Also the Kyujutsu specialist says this (Kyūjutsu Specs have trained their eyes for years, granting them the Eagle Eye, allowing them perfect vision until the earth curves. If they have a vantage point (staff approval), they can see roughly what is going on in the topics of the land they are in.)




My Argument: I would argue that the jump would be my vantage point and that someone with eyes as trained as a kyujutsu specialist would be able to see your approach from the air.
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You still have human eyes. No Sharingan. No special doujutsu so you would have to state you turned your head. As well as you lack the vantage point of Eagle eye as that is staff given and no staff made that ruling for you prior to my post or for current post of action. So, that is not feasible. I am technically based on your wording you never swiveled your head to look back. You didn't mention so. You can't just say WELL I turned my head when you never stated you did. You don't have eagle eye because staff never ruled a vantage point. You would still have to see me. You even stated yourself that you saw something not seen me leaving open the fact you weren't sure if you saw me either. Wording and being clear is a good thing to do. Vague descriptions work against you.
Small correction, Enishi doesn't need the vantage point (or the staff approval) to see in his own topic. He's in his right to exert it in this topic. So yes, he has eagle eye in this instance, just not over other topics unless we approved him to do so.
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My fifth point of contention:

Point: Samehada has its own chakra signature

Argument: Samehada's chakra signature would give you away as I have had chakra sensing active the entire time.
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I never onced stated samehada had a chakra signature in either of my post. Sorry.
You don't need to state it. Samehada has a chakra signature, regardless. You cannot chakra surpress samehada's chakra signature unless you've fully merged with it. It effectively is carrying 10% of your chakra, at minimum. You were always on the sensor radar due to Samehada betraying your position all this time. Sorry.
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My sixth and final point of contention:


The Claim: “As he reached his so called apex of the jump, he claims he spotted something, that something was an snake slithering across the ground.”

My argument: Really?


I will respect the staffs ruling on these points and post as soon as one has been made.
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You yourself posted this: His momentum still carrying him up the apex of his leap at 9 meters, he spotted something moving from the west amongst the thick foliage, moving directly towards his previous location.


You never stated you saw me. Vague description which also lends credence that without a doujutsu as previously stated or eagle eye because staff never granted you that approval required allowed me to embellish this. You saw you spotted something. That something could be anything and that something wasn't me. Even the OP said the forest area was littered with animals that hunt and try to kill. Its not out of the realm. My point is nothing in my post would be able to contested. I followed the actions and responsed accordingly to your post. You did the same. The problem here is I take issue with your need to still quote my first post and second post despite we are now on my third post and you never contested the previous two post until now which means you seen no issue with my first two post whatsoever. As well as YOU NEVER moved from your original spot. So coupled with that and the fact you are just moving upward finding you wasn't hard to do. Your actions of leaping straight up as fate and reality would have it force of gravity would call you downward, I was within ear shot of your word Kai, which you never stated you quietly said. You never just said the words quietly basically. That alerted me to you considering I was standing basically under you.
I'm gonna say this again, 7' tall guy with a huge sword wrapped in bandages, sneaking through brushes and between trees with a dim light of chakra signature. This cannot be mistaken for a snake, also, you controlling someone else's actions is against the rules. Please refrain from doing so again. You can't just, control his character to the point where you decide what he sees and hits. Imagine everyone doing this. An example: My post: "Ayano summons a water beast, the water beast leaps towards Awa." then in awa's next post: "Ayano's water beast leaped towards a snake, not Awa. Value."

No. That's just silly. This is not a respectful way to treat other's their posts, but more importantly, it is not the right way either.

Enishi did not shout kai, he stated in his post that he merely spoke the words 'kai' this is not shouting. This is just saying it, not in a hush tone, but not shouting it from the top of his lungs either. Naitome could of heard this ofcourse, depending how quiet the environment really was, but at this point I find it an irrelevant debate. The main point here is Enishi mistaking a 7' shark guy with a huge 5' sword which also carries a chakra signature, for a snake. A small, tiny, snake. Between brushes. Suffice to say but that snake hit is voided.

Naitome's arguments were mostly made under the assumption and certainty that he was undetectable and untrackable(or in this instance, unable to be seen on the chakra radar), Samehada disagreed with him, however.

Our final ruling: Naitome was in the wrong here, as punishment for ignoring an attack must take a direct hit from the attack unleashed against him. I was informed by Keiri that Enishi was the one to decide the severity of the damage Naitome would take from this explosion arrow. Wether injuries are fatal, major or minor will be left for the kemi shinobi to decide. Staff ruling has been made as requested from the participants, All ooc posts will be archived within roughly 16ish hours from this post onwards. Jouzu might chime in as well, punishment MIGHT change depending on this, if not - that's it.

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 Post subject: Re: The Island
PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:16 am 
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To the South of the Land of Tea, before one reaches the Land of Sea, a small tropical island sits uninhabited by man. Unpredictable storms and aggressive tides prevent even the most tenacious human from making their home here; for if they did it would surely be consumed by the unforgiving sea in short order. This land is only fifteen square kilometers total when the tide is at its lowest but the macromareal high tide decreases this shallow land to a meager eleven kilometers. Surrounded by dense atoll it is difficult for a ship of any size to reach the coast, and smaller boats risk being dashed to pieces on the rocks closer to the land so only the particularly brave or foolhardy sail to the land itself. It is close enough to some of the larger islands of Land of Sea that swimming from there is possible – if one is willing to risk the dangers of the ocean.

The beach of this island is rocky, the buoyant lava rocks jagged and unpleasant to tread upon at the best of times – dangerous and sharp as a blade at the worst. Tidal pools make up pockets of life on this seemingly otherwise barren beach, some deep enough to even dive into and perhaps a few that even connect out into the ocean itself. Scrubby brush and broad leafed plants make up the majority of the land, a place for the usual inhabitants of this place to hunt and be hunted. A dense copse of trees makes up the center-most area of the island, taking up a majority of the space of the butte that juts up and holds a small cave filled with jagged metallic and crystalline rocks. Heat emanates from this cave, along with a soft glow; the lava within building pressure for its next small surge toward the sea. Dense creeper vines seek to climb their way ever closer to the sun, sometimes strangling the life out of the very tree they are climbing. These vines, while not particularly dangerous themselves, are the favored hunting ground of the snakes that live here. The most dangerous creatures on this land, no doubt, are these exceedingly vicious serpents, large enough to swallow a man, that hunt their prey with both camouflage and venom – though even they fall prey to the even bigger cats that live here and seem to be immune to their bite.
I want to remind everyone in the thread of the environment that has been set out before them. The island of eleven square kilometres is made up primarily of brush, probably looks much more like the below (though far more flat) than whatever it is that Naitome and Enishi have engaged in.

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Noting that, Naitome and Enishi have engaged in a strangely-placed copse of trees much closer to the edge of the island, that has managed to spring up among the rocks of the beach (as again, there is a wide beach of sharp volcanic rock). Naitome had, at the beginning of the thread, been waiting in one of the tidal pools along the edges of the beach, which, while an action that breaks no rules or conventions of combat, places him on the outer edges of the island (and the topic).

Enishi, upon arrival, moved quickly to this strangely-placed bunch of trees, as he had activated his Sensing Technique and noticed Naitome's presence. The reason that this was initially possible is because the Water Release: Hiding in Water Technique, like other "Hiding in X" techniques, does not obscure your chakra signature. After Enishi had taken his cover in the mystery trees, Naitome then moved to follow him. In order to follow his target undetected, Naitome attempted to make use of the Chakra Suppression Technique. Though this obfuscates Naitome's exact position, the fact that Enishi had, while Naitome had been hiding in the tidal pool, sensed the presence of enemy chakra signatures, meant that the sudden disappearance of a signature that he had been following put him on alert. This alone would be reason enough for Enishi to be able to make a leap away from his position in the brush and use his readied arrows to defend himself, but it would not be the only motivating factor for him to do so.

On top of a signature that Enishi had previously sensed disappearing, the chakra signature of Samehada proceeded to approach his position. That, combined with Enishi's subsequent look-around mid-jump and the aural cues of a large person moving through foliage, allow Enishi's decision to fire down towards where he had been hiding to make sense. It is important to note that between Enishi's spin and the sound produced by a person moving through densely-packed flora, there is little reason to expect that he would not have the exact position of Naitome. Naitome did not use (and, to my knowledge, does not possess Silent Killing, which has the effects of the silent movement that he described. Given that those effects are exclusive to that technique, though he may be moving quietly, Naitome's movement did produce sound (especially when moving through trees).

Side-note to the above: Had Naitome not been moving through the mystery trees, and instead been anywhere else along the beach, seeing him would have been a trivial matter, as the rest of the beach is, as noted, incredibly barren. That being said, since Naitome made the move towards Enishi's position through the trees.

Since Enishi's sequence of actions regarding jumping upwards (to a distance of nine metres, which is important and will be returned to in a moment) make sense in the context of the sensory cues he would have received, his decision to fire and detonate his arrow make consequent sense. His jump was made in order to put a very specific amount of distance between himself and Naitome; his jump put him at the edge of the immediate blast radius of his arrow, which, as he noted, would have the effect of propelling him further away from his opponent (even if slightly painful).

Naitome did not attempt to dodge the arrow, by any means that I can identify. Though perhaps this was through some means of confusion, he attempted to move to the spot that Enishi had occupied before his jump (which was the initial target of the arrow), before jumping after him (which would be a move through the blast).

Given that his actions towards the ends of his posts have been strikes with Samehada or his fists, it is likely that the nearest part of Naitome to the blast would have been one of his arms. Understanding that, and that Naitome did not attempt to dodge the arrow (instead choosing to redirect the arrow to a snake, which I will discuss in another moment), the explosion will connect in Enishi's next post. The severity of this is unlikely to be lethal (as it is a B-Rank explosion), but will almost certainly cause a large amount of damage to whichever part of Naitome is nearest (likely an arm, though perhaps another extremity). Given that the nature of the connected hit is explosive, it is possible that whichever part of Naitome happens to be nearest is removed. In any case, the attack will connect, as that is the nature of attacks made but not dodged.



I'm going to post another thing after lunch about this. I might link it here, but it's likely to be stickied elsewhere. In the meantime, that's the ruling.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:16 pm 
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First of all. I clearly stated two post ago period I went away from him. I don't care what the ruling is but your not gonna say I jumped into the blast when everything that happened puts me in a different location. Period. That's just not happening honestly.

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His momentum still carrying him up the apex of his leap at 9 meters, he spotted something moving from the west amongst the thick foliage, moving directly towards his previous location. He didn’t waste time to confirm, and with the greatest of ease redirected his bow and let loose the normal arrow. It whistled quietly as it found its way towards its target aimed for the center of mass. This first arrow was a distraction and directly behind it hidden in its shadow would follow the Explosive fusion arrow.
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The thing here is that Naitome had actually been Enishi original spot as Naitome was directly underneath it and him.
The spot that Einishi targeted and the spot you continued to move towards are one and the same.

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 Post subject: Re: The Island
PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:33 pm 
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I don't give a fuck. Post two put me into the foilage behind him. He never moved from his location. There is no way your gonna say I'm still in front of him. Lol giving him eagles eye which he don't have. To boot he jumped straight up. No away. To the left. Not to the right. I would have already been into the woods. But oh well I expected this bullshit. Like I said. You can delete my comments. But samehada and my clan will be re-registered. And I will decide where his damage is lying. So which is cause it seems it's samehada he is swinging..that never happened..oh he never made into the brush behind him. He is it walking. He has poor agility. Omg. He leapt at enishi.

Omggggg naitome never did none of his post. We can just jump up among some trees and branches that exist but never don't exist for enishi oh he didn't hit his head or how against anything. But your seven foot. You did. Lol fuck outta here.

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 Post subject: Re: The Island
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yeah I'm gonna need you to clear up a few things. First, calculate all of your chakra and place it into your post. second of all, I find it impossible for you to cover 30 meters in one post when I couldn't even cover four meters in one post.

Please clear up your post, there are no trees. its shrub and very light foliage. And no you would not be unscathed from the force of your own explosion. your constitution is not that high. you shot that close you would suffer something aside protecting your organs. temporary blindness from the blast and loss of hearing at least. You wouldn't be able to see me atleast for this post being that close to the blast. there was no trees. just shrub. it was only a nine-meter blast. you can't say you blew up everything. the fact you think I'm gonna be standing "still" to boot to "notice" everything in a "moment" is laughable. Also, the Sensory spec doesn't offer you precognition boost for Samehada. And you never selected an element as your main element so that one rank higher mess is a no as well. To boot are you saying you ran away to thirty meters facing me? LMAO

Make sure you follow this part of your post as well:

Riding the shockwave several more meters Enishi landed gracefully on a large branch and darted along the trees away from the shinobi he had hopefully incapacitated, He would take great care to gain as much distance as possible, putting as many tree trunks and foliage between him and his previous pursuer. Moving as fast as he possibly could towards the center of the island he kept his chakra sensing active, looking back often with keen eyes for any sort of pursuer. He would not be snuck up on again so easily.



My contentions are that in order to do the things he is doing, would require him to take his eyes off me to run away from me. Sure he can chakra sense samehada, but not Naitome as my chakra suppression is still active. I wasn't implying he had organ damage. But, how can he land on a branch if he destroyed all the trees in an area? You can't change your previous actions. This is what I am talking about. It was first several meters now it's 15? Oh come on.

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 Post subject: Re: The Island
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:01 pm 
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It is important to note that my post is going off the official ruling that Jouzu posted.

“Please clear up your post, there are no trees. its shrub and very light foliage”

Offical ruling stated this: “Noting that, Naitome and Enishi have engaged in a strangely-placed copse of trees much closer to the edge of the island, that has managed to spring up among the rocks of the beach (as again, there is a wide beach of sharp volcanic rock).”

You said:”And no you would not be unscathed from the force of your own explosion. your constitution is not that high”

I find this funny coming from a guy who took a direct hit with the same constitution and didn’t die to be complaining about the damage I took when I was out of the blast radius.

Offical ruling stated this: His jump put him at the edge of the immediate blast radius of his arrow, which, as he noted, would have the effect of propelling him further away from his opponent (even if slightly painful). slightly painful…slightly painful…. slightly painful….trails off.

You said: “you shot that close you would suffer something aside protecting your organs. temporary blindness from the blast and loss of hearing at least.”

Sure ill add that I'm deaf for the remainder of the fight this seems logical to me. But I guess if thats the damage you want from me being outside the blast radius I wonder what would happen to you who has the EXACT same constitution taking a direct hit. Are you blind and deaf? are your organs damaged? I overlooked those things so we could finish our fight but w/e

You state: You wouldn't be able to see me atleast for this post being that close to the blast. there was no trees. just shrub. it was only a nine-meter blast. you can't say you blew up everything.

The official ruling said it was a random Copse of trees, No one stated the size so yes I can say that a 9 meter blast leveled all the trees. And I would argue I can see you as the blast had occurred in my LAST post and I'm merely calling the HIT right now. Also its up to me which limb was damaged so how would I RP that if I can’t see you. Get over it you got lucky by any measure, as I decided to take your dick instead of an arm.

You said: “the fact you think I'm gonna be standing "still" to boot to "notice" everything in a "moment" is laughable”

Ur laughable with ur arguments you just had ur Dick blown off, I doubt you would be racing into the fight instantly after that, and by ur own logic you would be blind and deaf right now. ONTOP of this Kyujutsu specalist have AMAZING eyesight and can ascertain information as such. That whole part was just me calling my hit anyways and letting you know what got damaged. If you want to be lying on ur back strewn out across the “sharp lava rocks” Go ahead the hit still stands and my distance from you is still legit.

You said: “And you never selected an element as your main element so that one rank higher mess is a no as well.”

A bullshit technicality by anyones standards especially yours. But I'm not a little bitch so sure we can take that away.


You said: To boot are you saying you ran away to thirty meters facing me? LMAO

Lmao read the post man: I Clearly stated “From his first landing on the sharp lava rock 15 meters away” I.e the blast that propelled me put me 15 meters away to start with, to which I then RAN as fast as possible to gain the other 15.

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 Post subject: Re: The Island
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:36 pm 
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Okay we will play your game. Your post is fine. Add your chakra in like I asked. Let's play the "game". I didn't ask for you to have organ damage or deafness for the entire thread stupid.

The only bitch I see here is you. Follow the fighting style rules and you wouldn't be contested. But let's play your game. Game on..

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:48 pm 
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And, uh damage doesn't require me to be seen. But fine. You know what. You won't be deaf. That is fine. You can still see for this. That is fine. You can do a million actions in one post. That is fine. You can not follow the fighting style rules of your fighting style. That is not fine.


So here is what we will do genius. Add you're in chakra like I asked without giving me lip about it. And we will finish this fight since you think you are the above the rules and how things work. And, no. You can't level an entire area that is larger than 12 meters with a nine meter blast which in reality should have been a c-rank blast considering you keep trying to add in one rank higher despite never claiming an element for your FS. again something that was overlooked in the ruling but..ya know...

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yeah I'm gonna need you to clear up a few things. First, calculate all of your chakra and place it into your post. second of all, I find it impossible for you to cover 30 meters in one post when I couldn't even cover four meters in one post.

Please clear up your post, there are no trees. its shrub and very light foliage. And no you would not be unscathed from the force of your own explosion. your constitution is not that high. you shot that close you would suffer something aside protecting your organs. temporary blindness from the blast and loss of hearing at least. You wouldn't be able to see me atleast for this post being that close to the blast. there was no trees. just shrub. it was only a nine-meter blast. you can't say you blew up everything. the fact you think I'm gonna be standing "still" to boot to "notice" everything in a "moment" is laughable. Also, the Sensory spec doesn't offer you precognition boost for Samehada. And you never selected an element as your main element so that one rank higher mess is a no as well. To boot are you saying you ran away to thirty meters facing me? LMAO

Make sure you follow this part of your post as well:

Riding the shockwave several more meters Enishi landed gracefully on a large branch and darted along the trees away from the shinobi he had hopefully incapacitated, He would take great care to gain as much distance as possible, putting as many tree trunks and foliage between him and his previous pursuer. Moving as fast as he possibly could towards the center of the island he kept his chakra sensing active, looking back often with keen eyes for any sort of pursuer. He would not be snuck up on again so easily.



My contentions are that in order to do the things he is doing, would require him to take his eyes off me to run away from me. Sure he can chakra sense samehada, but not Naitome as my chakra suppression is still active. I wasn't implying he had organ damage. But, how can he land on a branch if he destroyed all the trees in an area? You can't change your previous actions. This is what I am talking about. It was first several meters now it's 15? Oh come on.

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Agility: Epic [w/minor adv when using taijutsu][Track to Godlike Agility with Sharingan Active]
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 Post subject: Re: The Island
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:51 pm 
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ur an insufferable hypocrite see ya have fun

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