First off, we wanna thank anyone that had decided to join this plot topic - the first real 'big' battle since the restart of the site? We're really happy to see that people new and old alike still got the energy left to kick eachother's butt every now and then! Slightly unfortunate about the current ooc discussion, but it tends to happen a lot in life and death fights - we kinda hoped you'd be able to deal with these kind of issues between yourselves but both parties have requested the aid of staff, so here we are.
We'll be going through each argument up until the final verdict, sorry in advance, this post might be quite long to read..let's begin!
First, I'm gonna start this off by saying: You can't retroactively contest post that you accepted as fact and posted as if it wasn't something you are gonna contest. You can't can't take previous post actions that already happened and still use them in your current post which you tried to do in the previous post you made and now are trying to use them in your arguement.
I'm gonna deal with this first, you're actively doing this yourself. Please refrain yourself from telling others what to do, you're being kind of a hypocrite about it. On the other hand, we don't believe that Enishi was in the wrong here, either way. It most definitly can be used in an argument.
“He wouldn't know if I hid my chakra or if I could be a sensor and since he never saw me to begin with this was all in his head likely.”
My Argument: In my very first post I said this.
"Activating his sensory abilities a few things became clear. There were two shinobi here, neither seemed to be moving . Enishi wasted no time in creating a gap between the one that appeared to be hiding in a tide pool making a dart for the beach and then the jungle, disappearing into the thick foliage before him keeping tabs on both of the chakra signatures he would hide and wait for now, focusing on sensing"
I never contested what you did in your first post. My post was in response to your your reply.
While yes you can sense me. You can't physically see me with your eyeballs. You were assuming I am a sensor. Something you can't do. You can think it, you can make assumptions but your reply was indicating you know what my character can do despite not ever meeting my character until today. Which all you have to go off of is chakra, location and elements.
Enishi's did not make any assumption as to wether Naitome was a sensor or not. Enishi also stated that he wasn't relying on eye-sight initially, he fully focused onto sensing chakra signatures. His post also stated after your actions, Naitome,
The boy sat for but a moment in his new hiding place, his senses honed in on the chakra signature in the tide pool. hmmm whats ur mo…. Enishi’s thought was cut off, the chakra signature had vanished. The boys mind raced, the possibilities calculating in a mere moment, the conclusion, he didn’t just die out of nowhere… any sensory specialist worth his salt would certainly know their own weakness….
This was in his right, yes, when you fully focus on an individual target and it just, vanishes, something is up. I wanna add that saying 'It was probably in his head' isn't something you control, you can assume it though, but It's not a factor unless the writer himself, in this case Enishi, states so.
tl;dr: Enishi did not ever state to know Naitome was a sensor, he merely went off on chakra signature, there was no implication of this either - so physical sight isn't much in play here...however he does have eagle sight in this topic (more on that later). On the other hand, Naitome was well within Enishi's sensor range.
“The man had long left the tide pool and was no longer in the tide pool to begin with”
While your original post stated this “Naitome licked his lips as he waited patiently within the tidal pool” Followed by this “He had dropped his chakra signature and sensing as he felt where the target had went. He traveled south away from the original spot, about four meters as he eased out of the water”
My post stated this:
“his senses honed in on the chakra signature in the tide pool.” followed by “The boys mind raced, the possibilities calculating in a mere moment”
My Argument: I would argue that Enishi came to the conclusion much faster than you could have swam 4 meters, exited the tide pool and then done your sneaky approach that involved you walking.
Again, my post stated that happened. Your reply admitted it was fact that you did not contest. Those post happened one after the other. My reply in response to your actions. Something you can't retroactivly keep mentioning as something that can still affect your current post that is within the current timeframe despite all of those actions already taken place. With that being said: I can swim that fast: Based on my stats and this: This is taken directly from my Bloodline registration. I'm sure you didn't read it. The Hoshigaki clan are half shark, half human. Help the Hoshigaki to swim faster and with more control. Webbed Feet- In between the shark-nin's toes are thin flaps of skin. They make their feet like extra fins since they have no tail and serve no other purpose but to help propel them smoothly through water. These are able to be retracted, making them seem invisible when not needed. The Hoshigaki are more dangerous in water as their speed increases as well as their ability to breathe underwater is bar none.
I'm sorry but the Hoshigaki clan being able to swim faster wasn't even listed as it giving anything quantifiable in your registration. I forgot about that until Keiri mentioned it. (Your swimspeed does increase by a lot once merged with Samehada though~ but that's not happening in this case.) I wanna add that even if you were fast in the water, he'd still go on land. Meaning, walk.
If the 4 meters in the water weren't long, we could argue that combined with the land travel speed and distance would be enough time for a specialist in both sensory and kyujutsu to notice something amiss. But for this post, it really is a close to no factor due to the first statement I've already made. Consider, as well, that eagle eye is a factor here. (more on that later)
Something you can't retroactivly keep mentioning as something that can still affect your current post that is within the current timeframe despite all of those actions already taken place.
Again.., and you're doing what? This is silly, it can be used in an argument, the end.
My Third point of contention.
Is referring to your original post engaging Enishi
Your claim: “He had dropped his chakra signature and sensing as he felt where the target had went. He traveled south away from the original spot, about four meters as he eased out of the water, being unable to be detected by sensors due to him no longer using any sort of chakra.”
My Point: Your character is now going completely off of where he last sensed Enishi, you say here
“ He was careful and quiet, as he strolled toward Enishi using trees as cover “ you continue
“Naitome was not able to be detected, nor sensed due to chakra suppression. And, he carefully walked due to his training in taijutsu he was quite adept at using his muscles and body control to not make a sound.”
My Point: If you are carefully walking in an attempt to not make a sound I find it doubtful that you would be moving very fast at all. At-least not faster than my thinking and subsequent jump into the air.
My argument: My character came to the conclusion to jump into the air very quickly after you vanished from my chakra sensing. I would argue that I would certainly see you if you could see me. And that brings my to my fourth point of contention.
The problem is again you stating something that has already happened and you never contested to begin with. You are still in your previous spot from two post ago. You never moved. You just jumped in the air straight up from where you been standing. Considering i am stating that I can move that fast, you are trying to say my chakra sensing happened later than it did. Considering you wasn't that far from me based on my stats and my abilities four meters swimming and already, I am slighty faster than you in regards to movement and swimming. I already was into the forest. Sneaking didn't happen until I was in the forest. But, I mean I'm going into the foilage as your thinking already. My height and speed, again work in my favor. The time it takes you to jump: nine meters compared to moving four meters would mean I basically am into the foilage and trees long before you reach your apex.
These are interesting points. Let's list the events. Naitome walks from the beach, into the foliage, this by itself exceeds the 6 meters mark as he travels through the foliage itself. Sand+rocks; also, tends to slow you down, An important pointer. In this instance chakra suppression was active for awhile now(though Samehada's chakra can't be surpressed). Enishi noticed the drop of chakra (since even with samehada still being up, one chakra signature still drops, which is Naitom's) and jumped, Naitome used chakra surpression inside the water, giving Enishi a head start to jump before Naitome had even left the water. I wanna add an important detail here, Naitome was described as not making a single sound, no branch or leaf giving him away, his movement being trained and him being undetectable as well as being invisible on the sensor radar
Your character is 7' - wielding a giant sword strapped in bandages on your back, let that sink in for a moment. Okay now add the fact that the sword itself posseses Its own chakra signature. Now consider that you moved through brushes as well. Very very detectable (brushes move, make sound.). It's really hard to miss that. I'd say that this wasn't in Naitome's advantage. I wouldn't say that he'd have reached his apex 'long' before Enishi reached his apex either. However Naitome would definitly be in the foliage by the time Enishi did reach his max height.
Fourth point of contention:
“As the 360 view of Enishi would not be physically possible unless he spun all the way around in a circle, he mentioned a slight rotation but your human eyes could only see at best 180 degrees in front of you.“
My Argument: I would easily argue that with a slight rotation and the swivel of the head you could easily see 360 degrees.(Turn your head where you are seated right now, if you have any flexibility you can see more than 180 degrees while your body doesn't move at all) Also the Kyujutsu specialist says this (Kyūjutsu Specs have trained their eyes for years, granting them the Eagle Eye, allowing them perfect vision until the earth curves. If they have a vantage point (staff approval), they can see roughly what is going on in the topics of the land they are in.)
My Argument: I would argue that the jump would be my vantage point and that someone with eyes as trained as a kyujutsu specialist would be able to see your approach from the air.
You still have human eyes. No Sharingan. No special doujutsu so you would have to state you turned your head. As well as you lack the vantage point of Eagle eye as that is staff given and no staff made that ruling for you prior to my post or for current post of action. So, that is not feasible. I am technically based on your wording you never swiveled your head to look back. You didn't mention so. You can't just say WELL I turned my head when you never stated you did. You don't have eagle eye because staff never ruled a vantage point. You would still have to see me. You even stated yourself that you saw something not seen me leaving open the fact you weren't sure if you saw me either. Wording and being clear is a good thing to do. Vague descriptions work against you.
Small correction, Enishi doesn't need the vantage point (or the staff approval) to see in his own topic. He's in his right to exert it in this topic. So yes, he has eagle eye in this instance, just not over other topics unless we approved him to do so.
My fifth point of contention:
Point: Samehada has its own chakra signature
Argument: Samehada's chakra signature would give you away as I have had chakra sensing active the entire time.
I never onced stated samehada had a chakra signature in either of my post. Sorry.
You don't need to state it. Samehada has a chakra signature, regardless. You cannot chakra surpress samehada's chakra signature unless you've fully merged with it. It effectively is carrying 10% of your chakra, at minimum. You were always on the sensor radar due to Samehada betraying your position all this time. Sorry.
My sixth and final point of contention:
The Claim: “As he reached his so called apex of the jump, he claims he spotted something, that something was an snake slithering across the ground.”
My argument: Really?
I will respect the staffs ruling on these points and post as soon as one has been made.
You yourself posted this: His momentum still carrying him up the apex of his leap at 9 meters, he spotted something moving from the west amongst the thick foliage, moving directly towards his previous location.
You never stated you saw me. Vague description which also lends credence that without a doujutsu as previously stated or eagle eye because staff never granted you that approval required allowed me to embellish this. You saw you spotted something. That something could be anything and that something wasn't me. Even the OP said the forest area was littered with animals that hunt and try to kill. Its not out of the realm. My point is nothing in my post would be able to contested. I followed the actions and responsed accordingly to your post. You did the same. The problem here is I take issue with your need to still quote my first post and second post despite we are now on my third post and you never contested the previous two post until now which means you seen no issue with my first two post whatsoever. As well as YOU NEVER moved from your original spot. So coupled with that and the fact you are just moving upward finding you wasn't hard to do. Your actions of leaping straight up as fate and reality would have it force of gravity would call you downward, I was within ear shot of your word Kai, which you never stated you quietly said. You never just said the words quietly basically. That alerted me to you considering I was standing basically under you.
I'm gonna say this again, 7' tall guy with a huge sword wrapped in bandages, sneaking through brushes and between trees with a dim light of chakra signature. This cannot be mistaken for a snake, also, you controlling someone else's actions is against the rules. Please refrain from doing so again. You can't just, control his character to the point where you decide what he sees and hits. Imagine everyone doing this. An example: My post: "Ayano summons a water beast, the water beast leaps towards Awa." then in awa's next post: "Ayano's water beast leaped towards a snake, not Awa. Value."
No. That's just silly. This is not a respectful way to treat other's their posts, but more importantly, it is not the right way either.
Enishi did not shout kai, he stated in his post that he merely spoke the words 'kai' this is not shouting. This is just saying it, not in a hush tone, but not shouting it from the top of his lungs either. Naitome could of heard this ofcourse, depending how quiet the environment really was, but at this point I find it an irrelevant debate. The main point here is Enishi mistaking a 7' shark guy with a huge 5' sword which also carries a chakra signature, for a snake
. A small, tiny, snake. Between brushes. Suffice to say but that snake hit is voided.
Naitome's arguments were mostly made under the assumption and certainty that he was undetectable and untrackable(or in this instance, unable to be seen on the chakra radar), Samehada disagreed with him, however.
Our final ruling: Naitome was in the wrong here, as punishment for ignoring an attack must take a direct hit from the attack unleashed against him. I was informed by Keiri that Enishi was the one to decide the severity of the damage Naitome would take from this explosion arrow. Wether injuries are fatal, major or minor will be left for the kemi shinobi to decide. Staff ruling has been made as requested from the participants, All ooc posts will be archived within roughly 16ish hours from this post onwards. Jouzu might chime in as well, punishment MIGHT change depending on this, if not - that's it.