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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:51 am 
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I didn't try to dodge her barrage. I let it hit, actually, rather than try to preempt it. I suppose my question is why it's okay to weave seals in preparation for substitution only. When Kakashi fights Kakuzu, he delays the activation of Lightning Cutter in order to avoid warning him that the attack is coming and rams his fist through Kakuzu's chest from behind. He had to have woven the seals for it at some point, but it wasn't right before he used the technique since it was a sudden and unexpected attack. People in canon and IC prep techniques rounds in advance using hand seals and don't activate them immediately. What applies to one ninjutsu in terms of hand signs and their usage should apply to all ninjutsu. I'm sure someone has prepped shadow clone before and not used it immediately, but I'm not gonna sort through the entire forum for it. And of course I didn't use 2/3, I prepped them in case of future events. Also, why is it different for sealless jutsu? You still need to focus the chakra, so prepping one sealless jutsu should be all that is possible to do at once. That's no different than weaving seals for a jutsu in preparation and then not using the chakra immediately. The prep rules are awfully fucked up with all these exceptions and clarifications that are just coming to light.

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Str: Proficient (Major Advantage Taijutsu)
Con: Average (Major Adv w/ Tai) (Oner tier Pain resist/Yamabushi)
Sta: Proficient (Minor Advantage Tai/Nin)
Agi: Legendary (Minor Advantage Yamabushi) (Plus one tier Tai)
Dex: Masterful (Major Advantage Tai/Buki) (One tier Buki MoO)
Wis: Legendary
Fighting Styles:
Taijutsu Spec
Sohei (425/500) Rank 2
Yamabushi (200/500) Rank 2
Bukijutsu Master of One Spec
Ninjutsu Minor
Items:
Bukijutsu pool:

Tanto

Nunchucks

Hanbo Staff

Pair of Sais,

2 Trench Knifes

Kama

10 item sealing scroll

10 of each type of tag

15 kunai

10 shuriken


Other items:

Armor (Grieves, armor for the thigh and knee joint, and a chain shirt).

6 Military Rations Pills

3 Blood pills

5 Coagulation Pills

5 of each bomb

100 caltrops
Techs:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:13 pm 
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You did not just prep one jutsu though. You prepped three, and delayed them all to be used at your convenient whatever. That is not possible to do without some sort of time release shenanigans. What you cannot do is delay multiple techniques one after the other without using the previous one without the use of a time release seal. He is saying you should have used shadow clone, and then used one of the other ones. Both Zoomy and I are contesting that that is not possible, and multiple people not just staff agree.

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Strength: Proficient (masterful ken)
Constitution: Masterful
Stamina: Godlike (60 nin) (60 tai)
Reflexes: Masterful (Epic ken) (Epic tai)
Coordination: Masterful (Epic ken) (major adv nin) (Epic tai)
Wisdom: Masterful

Tracking: Legendary w Major Adv

Ninjutsu Expert
Fuuinjutsu Expert
Taijutsu Specialist
Kuchiyose Master
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:34 pm 
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The decision has been made. Nami and Shikyo's posts are canon. You can technically appeal to higher ranking staffers, but this issue has been discussed so much that I can tell you that that's unlikely (read: impossible) to go your way. Commence play; cease contentions, at least until the next round.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:40 pm 
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Alright, well, I can still reply to Shikyo's post since I'm next in the post order.

EDIT: Tsuyo has armor, you have average strength and a kunai. I actually don't need to use a fate point to survive that.




So Tsuyo was unconscious, but unconsciousness caused by physical trauma hardly ever lasted longer than ten seconds before the person came to. She was out a bit longer from the mind reading, but she still felt the kunai push into her body through the chainmail. Her body reacted, still unharmed for the most part, almost instantly due to body reflexes honed from years of martial arts training. Her knee flew up to hit her foe with the instinctive power of a cornered animal and her eyes snapped open with the left caked over with blood. Her vision was blurry, staring at where she had felt the weapon attempt to enter her body. She was groggy, but this appeared to be life or death and her body knew reacted as such. Her arms would jerk to her stomach in reaction as well when her knee came up. After this, she would roll away from the attacker and push away. She was staggered, her arms coming up in front of her in a defensive X in a lunge position.

The minion wasn't close to them when this all occurred, giving Tsuyo a smidge of breathing room. "W-wait a minute," she began, wondering just what was going on. Her front was torn open, but that didn't matter since she had a chain undershirt underneath her flak jacket to prevent such small arms from getting through. She wanted to talk for now to get her bearings. "Why are you attacking an ally of Otogakure?" Her words were a bit slurred, but her vision had returned almost fully in her right eye as adrenaline made up for the awareness she had been lacking the last couple seconds. Her gaze shifted between the minion and Shikyo, keeping an eye on their hands in case they tried anything. She had rolled about two and a half meters away, and after this questioning her hands would come together to form the Kai seal. She remembered that paralysis technique, and it wouldn't happen to her again.



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1 Might for non technique attack into Dex, Double of Masterful is Godlike, plus a Major Advantage. Strength is Proficient w/Major Adcantage for the knee.

1 Fate to survive Nami's head strike with minimal damage since Izumi thinks Momo used her full power to knock Tsuyo out. If she did, then Tsuyo should be dead. If she just wanted to knock her out, then I shouldn't have to use this fate. But JUST IN CASE.



Stamina used: 19% since nothing last post happened

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Str: Proficient (Major Advantage Taijutsu)
Con: Average (Major Adv w/ Tai) (Oner tier Pain resist/Yamabushi)
Sta: Proficient (Minor Advantage Tai/Nin)
Agi: Legendary (Minor Advantage Yamabushi) (Plus one tier Tai)
Dex: Masterful (Major Advantage Tai/Buki) (One tier Buki MoO)
Wis: Legendary
Fighting Styles:
Taijutsu Spec
Sohei (425/500) Rank 2
Yamabushi (200/500) Rank 2
Bukijutsu Master of One Spec
Ninjutsu Minor
Items:
Bukijutsu pool:

Tanto

Nunchucks

Hanbo Staff

Pair of Sais,

2 Trench Knifes

Kama

10 item sealing scroll

10 of each type of tag

15 kunai

10 shuriken


Other items:

Armor (Grieves, armor for the thigh and knee joint, and a chain shirt).

6 Military Rations Pills

3 Blood pills

5 Coagulation Pills

5 of each bomb

100 caltrops
Techs:


Last edited by Tsuyo on Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:07 pm 
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unconsciousness caused by physical trauma hardly ever lasted longer than ten seconds
lolwut?
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she still felt the kunai push into her body through the chainmail
lolwut?
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Her body reacted, still unharmed for the most part
lolwut?
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but this appeared to be life or death and her body knew reacted as such
lolwut?


Alright so there is plenty wrong with this post, the main point being the results of that kind of head trauma. Arguing will (obviously) get us nowhere so this on complete pause until a staff member gets in here and delivers a ruling. No arguing.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:36 pm 
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Fate does not function in that manner. From the MWF section of the rules:
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1 Points: Avoid a non-lethal injury and take minimal damage from it.
When hits have already been called, you can not "avoid" a hit. If the character possessed any Will points, here's the part where I'd say that I could see a Will point or two being used to reduce the length of time that it would spend unconscious (or even to resist being rendered unconscious, perhaps), but Tsuyo does not.

Therefore, Tsuyo is unconscious. For the remainder of the thread, at least, unless she can be healed or otherwise roused by someone before being taken out of the thread or killed.

I will tolerate no further debate on the matter here. If you wish to attempt to appeal this ruling for Shinji-knows-what reason and by God-Emperor-knows-what logic, PM me. We can carry on the discussion there. Once all relevant characters have exited the thread, I will archive all of the OOC posts that were a part of this discussion.

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Strength: Masterful
Constitution: Masterful
Stamina: Legendary (250 SP, 60 SP with Ninjutsu; Godlike, 250 SP, 60 SP with Taijutsu)
Coordination: Masterful (Major Advantage with Ninjutsu, Minor Advantage with Sensory)
Reflex: Masterful (Minor Advantage with Sensory)
Wisdom: Legendary (Major Advantage with Genjutsu, Godlike with Fūinjutsu, Godlike with Taijutsu)

Fūinjutsu Specialist, Taijutsu Specialist; Genjutsu Expert, Kuchiyose Expert, Ninjutsu Expert, Sensory Adept
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:21 pm 
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Nami came waltzing back to the gates. At this point most of the guards were long gone from the walls, so there was no need for her to really even disguise herself this time. She kept her eyes active as she approached, but just as Shikyo had said, the woman was still unconscious. Poor thing. She wondered if she even deserved this fate, but death was the one true thing and it came for everyone eventually. She was buried in the ground up to her head. With a heavy sigh, Nami took one last drag from her cigarette before removing the large blade from her back and flicking the cigarette aside. She walked over the woman’s head and looked down at it, a blank expression on her face as she lifted the sword and drove the sharp end of the blade right through her skull. Blood spurted forth, but the Executioner’s blade was quick to lap it up. She could feel its quivering joy, and the sensation gave her some sort of sickened joy as well. She twisted the blade around a bit, letting it get its fill, before removing it and letting out another sigh. Wrong place, wrong time, and it was unfortunate it had to end this way, but there was too much risk in letting her live, especially with the lady being from Konoha. With that ugly business out of the way, she’d pull out yet another cigarette and light it, stepping toward the end of the road and taking a few drags as she waited for Shikyo to return so they could debrief on their mission.

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Constitution: Proficient
Stamina: Proficient
Agility: Masterful (Masterful w/ major advantage Ken) (Legendary w/ Executioner's Blade) (Godlike w/ major advantage tracking sharingan + kenjutsu)
Dexterity: Masterful (Masterful w/ major advantage Ken)
Wisdom: Legendary (Legendary w/ major advantage Gen) (Godlike precog)

Kenjutsu specialist
Genjutsu major

Jutsu: viewtopic.php?f=159&t=11236
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:43 pm 
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The messenger hawk was now well on its way, en route to Otogakure no Sato with a message from Shikyo to be delivered directly to the Otokage. It was a simple update of their progress on the mission and the detour that it was about to take, given new information that had come to light with the interrogation of Deputy Chao.

The Uchiha came upon a bloody scene at the gates, but not one that he hadn't expected. The corpses of the many guards he'd killed here not half an hour prior littered the ground, some merely cut up and others a pile of broken remains that had fallen post mortem from the heights of the great village walls, when Shikyo had felt discontent with letting even them survive on his way to wreak havoc within Iwa.

Nami stood next to the exposed and punctured head of an unfortunate Konoha Chuunin. The Executioner's Blade had swallowed up the blood, as Shikyo knew it would, leaving a cleaner scene than one might expect, but there was still the matter of a body to take care of. Shikyo approached the scene, silent, until he was viewing the woman from above. Had things just gone a little bit differently, this outcome may not have happened. Had she not been here. Had she not killed their target, Kaneda. Had Kaneda not been here. Had their mission ended right then and there, like it was supposed to. Had Shikyo the time and the means to transport her to Konoha. He was not one to dwell on the past, nor to feel remorse for lives lost, but he was, like Nami, born in Konoha and, unlike Nami, still felt some ties to that place, especially with their current alliance with Otogakure. This entire situation was a messy one, but the best he could do was to dispose of the body in at least a mildly respectful manner and inform the Otokage of this in person, once he returns to the village.

With a few, slower than normal hand seals, Shikyo breathed a stream of flame that almost appeared gentle as it imparted its great heat upon Tsuyo, burning the woman from the head down and working very quickly to turn her body to ash within her makeshift stone prison. A few seconds later, and the only markings of her presence were the ashes at the bottom of a small pit that most would hardly notice. Her items and money, anything she had on her person, was either burned or, if sealed away, turned to ash alongside her. The Jounin felt no need to wrest her possessions from her.

"The intel I extracted from Deputy Chao indicates a Committee in the Land of Iron that is behind the events here. They also have a branch out in Kirigakure that might be worth checking out." Shikyo began the briefing, staring blankly into the blackened hole. "There's a mission posted by the smith Seisaku Mishima, of the Hidden Mist, to hunt down some sort of dragon in the Land of Iron. It's an open invitation to all villages, so that will be a good cover for us to scout out the Committee and its Kiri branch." He looked up and took a few steps closer to Nami. "I have a small lead on Sasuke Toriyama that may pan out to something. In the mean time, go to Kirigakure and find what you can. I'll meet you at the smith's shop in six days." He finished, giving both himself and Nami a little extra time to complete each of their investigative work on top of the sizable time that would be spent traveling all the way to the Land of Water.

Without offering any warning, Shikyo's eyes sought to meet with Nami's, his Sharingan spinning about and reflecting in her eyes as he cast a very basic level of Genjutsu over her. With that glance, maybe a minute of silent eye contact, he'd transmit most of the information he had extracted from Tsuyo, in particular the various techniques that she had known, because he knew they would be of great use to Nami in the future.

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Strength: Average
Constitution: Average
Stamina: Legendary
Agility: Legendary
Dexterity: Legendary
Wisdom: Legendary
Tracking: Legendary
Ryo: 59,636,015
Bloodline: Sharingan: Third Tomoe
Fighting Styles: Bukijutsu: Specialist (Jack of All Trades), Fuuinjutsu: Minor
Items: Wooden Bo Staff; Kusarigama
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:02 pm 
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Nami would only turn slightly and watch Shikyo burn the body of the dead woman. She watched for a second, and then turned back to face the road spread out before them, smoking her cigarette slowly. The wake of destruction they had left in the mere course of a day had left her feeling more refreshed than ever. But something bothered her. Despite how full the blade was, how satisfied, she still… still couldn’t feel full. She wanted more. She wasn’t satisfied enough, not even with the mindless slaughter of all those potentially innocent parties. The thought sort of shook her slightly, but she would shake the thought, almost literally by shaking her head, and take another long drag of her cigarette. Somehow, someway, she would feel alive again someday. Even if the whole world had to burn to the ground for that to happen.

Once the woman was all but ashes in the air, Shikyo began to speak, informing Nami what he’d learned from Deputy Chao. She didn’t turn to face him as he spoke. So, this stretched even farther than the both of them thought. What a bother. They had a great deal to accomplish, and it felt like time was becoming an even more limited resource than it had been previously. She tried to count in her head how long it would take her to get to Kumogakure and “help” Seigi and then get to Kirigakure. She might be able to manage, if she hurried. The whole bit about the smith and his mission sounded interesting, and she was always down for a little investigative work. She took one last long drag of her cigarette before throwing it down and stamping it out, turning back toward her partner. “This gets ever more complex, doesn’t it? Ah well. It’s been a long time since I have been to Kirigakure. Guess I’m long overdue for a reunion.”

Without warning, he imparted some very interesting information via his sharingan. Nami raised one of her eyebrows as he did so. Maybe this whole messy business was worth something after all. “Oh, I’ve got something for you too, by the way.” Back to him she would impart the stuff of their clan and all that. He’d probably about earned it at this point anyway, especially with the neat o stuff he just gave her. “Oh, and can I have Kaneda’s body? I want to know if this will pan out as a bounty in the slightest… I’m not expecting it to, but maybe there’s a chance.” Her voice was bitter and she rolled her eyes slightly as she said this.

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Constitution: Proficient
Stamina: Proficient
Agility: Masterful (Masterful w/ major advantage Ken) (Legendary w/ Executioner's Blade) (Godlike w/ major advantage tracking sharingan + kenjutsu)
Dexterity: Masterful (Masterful w/ major advantage Ken)
Wisdom: Legendary (Legendary w/ major advantage Gen) (Godlike precog)

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Jutsu: viewtopic.php?f=159&t=11236
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:42 pm 
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After processing the details illustrated by Nami's return Genjutsu, Shikyo reached for a small scroll he'd acquired from the messenger hawk center in Iwagakure. It was small, originally intended to be used for notes and messages that are attached to the legs of birds, but he hadn't brought any scrolls for Fuuinjutsu and that would work for the moment. The Uchiha channeled just enough Katon chakra into his fingertip to cause the paper to turn black to the touch and carefully wrote a basic enclosing seal. He quickly tapped the seal he'd scratched into his wrist guard earlier and then the one on the small scroll to swiftly shift the contents, a bloody mess of a body, from one seal to the other, and then handed it to Nami.

"Good luck." Shikyo said, in reference to the bounty and her endeavors in the Hidden Mist. He was yet unaware of her business with Seigi Douchiwa, though probably for the better; he still relished the thought of fighting against that young man again.

With the business regarding Iwagakure presently concluded, Shikyo Uchiha gave a short wave to Nami and took off in the specific direction where he was informed that his target had gone.

[Exit]

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Strength: Average
Constitution: Average
Stamina: Legendary
Agility: Legendary
Dexterity: Legendary
Wisdom: Legendary
Tracking: Legendary
Ryo: 59,636,015
Bloodline: Sharingan: Third Tomoe
Fighting Styles: Bukijutsu: Specialist (Jack of All Trades), Fuuinjutsu: Minor
Items: Wooden Bo Staff; Kusarigama
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:29 am 
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Nami took the scroll from Shikyo after he was done inscribing it and switching the remains over. She was disgruntled over how it wouldn't be likely she'd be able to get anything off of this, but she could try anyway. The scroll was less of a scroll and more a piece of paper, but Nami would fold it carefully and put it out of sight all the same. She mused momentarily over whether she would go to Kumogakure first or straight to Kiri; it'd be a tough decision, and perhaps she wouldn't even make it until she made a pit stop in Oto. Shikyo gave her a short wave and wished her luck, to which she would nod and give a shirt wave as well. "You too," was all she said before turning down the road and heading back towards Oto and then likely on towards Kumo.

[exit]

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Strength: Masterful (Masterful w/ min advantage Ken)
Constitution: Proficient
Stamina: Proficient
Agility: Masterful (Masterful w/ major advantage Ken) (Legendary w/ Executioner's Blade) (Godlike w/ major advantage tracking sharingan + kenjutsu)
Dexterity: Masterful (Masterful w/ major advantage Ken)
Wisdom: Legendary (Legendary w/ major advantage Gen) (Godlike precog)

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Jutsu: viewtopic.php?f=159&t=11236
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